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请问如何理解倍频程,1/3倍频程?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octave

Octave
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In music, an octave (sometimes abbreviated 8ve or 8va) is the interval between one musical note and another with half or double the frequency.


    * 1 Examples
    * 2 Musical relevance
    * 3 Electrical Relevance
    * 4 Other uses of term
    * 5 Notation
    * 6 See also
    * 7 Source
    * 8 Famous high-octave singers
    * 9 See Also

Examples

For example, if one note has a frequency of 400 Hz, the note an octave above it is at 800 Hz, and the note an octave below is at 200 Hz. The ratio of frequencies of two notes an octave apart is therefore 2:1. Further octaves of a note occur at 2n times the frequency of that note (where n is an integer), such as 2, 4, 8, 16, etc. and the reciprocal of that series. For example, 50 Hz and 400 Hz are one and two octaves away from 100 Hz because they are \frac{1}{2} (\frac{1}{2}^1) and 4 (22) times the frequency, respectively. However, 300 Hz is not a whole number octave above 100 Hz, despite being a harmonic of 100 Hz.

Musical relevance

After the unison, the octave is the simplest interval in music. The human ear tends to hear both notes as being essentially "the same". For this reason, notes an octave apart are given the same note name in the Western system of music notation—the name of a note an octave above A is also A. This is called octave equivalency, and is closely related to the concept of harmonics. This is similar to enharmonic equivalency, and less so transpositional equivalency and, less still, inversional equivalency, the latter two of which are generally used only in musical set theory or atonal theory. Thus all C#s, or all 1s (if C=0), in any octave are part of the same pitch class. Octave equivalency is a part of most musics, but is far from universal in "primitive" and early music (e.g., Nettl, 1956; Sachs & Kunst, 1962). Also monkeys experience octave equivalency, and its biological basis apparently is an octave mapping of neurons in the auditory thalamus of the mammalian brain [1].

While octaves commonly refer to the perfect octave (P8), the interval of an octave in music theory encompasses chromatic alterations within the pitch class, meaning that G natural to G# (13 semitones higher) is an augmented octave (A8), and G natural to G-flat (11 semitones higher) is a diminished octave (d8). The use of such intervals is rare, as there is frequently a more preferable enharmonic notation available, but these categories of octaves must be acknowledged in any full understanding of the role and meaning of octaves more generally in music.

Electrical Relevance

In electronics design, an amplifier or filter may be stated to have a frequency response of ±6dB per octave over a particular frequency range, which signifies that the voltage gain changes by ±6 decibels when the frequency changes by a factor of 2. A frequency response of ±6dB per octave is equivalent to ±20dB per decade (a change in frequency by a factor of 10).

Other uses of term

As well as being used to describe the relationship between two notes, the word is also used when speaking of a range of notes that fall between a pair an octave apart. In the diatonic scale, this is 8 notes if one counts both ends, hence the name "octave", from Italian for 8. In the chromatic scale, this is 13 notes counting both ends, although traditionally, one speaks of 12 notes of the chromatic scale, since there are 12 intervals. Other scales may have a different number of notes covering the range of an octave, such as the Arabic classical scale with 17, 19, or even 24 notes, but the word "octave" is still used.

In terms of playing an instrument, "octave" may also mean a special effect involving playing two notes that are an octave apart at the same time. This effect may have to be created by the musician. However, some instruments are purposely tuned or designed to produce this effect, for example, the twelve-string guitar and the octave harmonica.

In most Western music, the octave is divided into 12 semitones (see musical tuning). These semitones are usually equally spaced out in a method known as equal temperament.

In the Electrical Sense ±6 db per octave is actually equal to 19.93157, which is almost 20.

Notation

The notation 8va is sometimes seen in sheet music, meaning "play this an octave higher than written." 8va stands for ottava, the Italian word for octave. Sometimes 8va will also be used to indicate a passage is to be played an octave lower, although the similar notation 8vb (ottava bassa) is more common. Similarly, 15ma (quindicesima) means "play two octaves higher than written" and 15mb (quindicesima bassa) means "play two octaves lower than written." Coll'ottava means to play the passage in octaves. Any of these directions can be cancelled with the word loco, but often a dashed line or bracket indicates the extent of the music affected.

For music-theoretical purposes (not on sheet music), octave can be abbreviated as P8.





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For example, if one note has a frequency of
400 Hz, the note
an octave above it is at 800 Hz, and the note an octave below is at 200 Hz. The
ratio of frequencies of two notes an octave apart is therefore 2:1. Further
octaves of a note occur at 2n
times the frequency of that note (where n is an integer), such as 2, 4,
8, 16, etc. and the reciprocal of that series. For example, 50 Hz and 400 Hz
are one and two octaves away from 100 Hz because they are 图片点击可在新窗口打开查看(图片点击可在新窗口打开查看) and 4 (22) times the frequency, respectively. However,
300 Hz is not a whole number octave above 100 Hz, despite being a harmonic of 100
Hz.



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  发帖心情 Post By:2006-12-19 3:32:13 [只看该作者]

英文材料引用了,作点解释.

如果频率F1是100HZ的话,它的倍频程就是200HZ.
它的2分之1倍频程频率就是141HZ,就是100HZ乘个系数,这个系数是2的(1/2)幂,就是2的开平方根.
它的3分之1倍频程频率就是100HZ乘一个新的系数,这个系数是2的(1/3)幂,就是2的开三次方的根.
其值是多少呢?算一下,是1.2599.



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  发帖心情 Post By:2006-12-19 5:45:29 [只看该作者]

倍频程(octave)

 

两个声音的频率比(或者音调比)的以2为底的对数称为频程,数学表达式为n=log2(f2/f1),式中f1为基准频率, f2为求倍频程数的信号频率, n为倍频程数.可以是整数或分数.例如n=1,1/3,则分别称为倍频程三分之一倍频程”.

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这是从1993年国防工业出版社版的<电声词典>上的引下的一个解释,

我个人以为还是WIKI的英文解释得更好些.


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不错;我有弄懂了点.!!THKS

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通俗易懂!

当时南大的老师都没解释这个...
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谢谢老兵前辈,解决了一个困扰我很久的问题.


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16,20,25,
31.5,40,50,
63,80,100,
125,160,200,
250,315,400,
500,630,800,
1000,1250,1600,
2000,2500,3150,
4000,5000,6300,
8000,10000,12500,
16000.

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上面是常用的1/3倍频程的中心频率,可在1/3倍频程的带通滤波器上发现这些数字.
仔细观察,它们之间的数学关系是什么?
啊,从100HZ向上提一个1/3倍频程的频率是多少?
125HZ.
从100HZ向上提一个倍频程的频率是多少?
200HZ,对不对?
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留个思考题.
这样取倍频程的实际意义何在?

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贴两页管善群教授书<电声技术基础>中的两页.

 


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学习中!谢谢


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下面是1/3倍频程连续的点,可用于四点S0 指标的制定,他们是:

300,400,500,600,800,1000,1250,1500,2000,2500


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以下是引用wxw205475在2007-01-03 16:50:05的发言:

下面是1/3倍频程连续的点,可用于四点S0 指标的制定,他们是:

300,400,500,600,800,1000,1250,1500,2000,2500

其中有误.


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请教:如下的频响标准如何理解?

The following table calls out acceptable variation:

Variation Width

Acceptable Deviation

1/24 to 1/12 octave

10 dB

1/12 to 1/6 octave

6 dB

1/6 to 1/3 octave

3 dB

1/3 to 1 octave

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哈哈,上面大概是某个外单的品管要求之一吧

Variation Width 本意是改变的宽度,

这儿实际上是指所考查的频宽,如起始点频率为F1,

则终止点频率点是F2,

它们的关系就是F2=F1X 2的一个幂.

幂数是多少呢?就是1/24或1/12.

在这样的频宽中,频率响应曲线之间的允许偏差就是表中相应的10 dB等等.

比如F1是1000HZ的话,比它高1/24倍频程的频率就是1000HZ乘上2的(1/24)的幂.

比它高1/12倍频程的频率就是1000HZ乘上2的(1/12)的幂.

具体你算一下.

就是说,在这样的频宽中(按1/24窄,按1/12宽),单元或系统的频率响应曲线的偏差不得大于10 dB.

其余类推.

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这样的验收标准!

先同情一下.

以我们这些老工程师看,就是娃娃派或学院派品管工程师搞出来的不切实际的

有扯皮因素的规定.

呵呵.1/24 to 1/12 octave

这样的规定本身就在扯,

显然1/12的要求更高,你达不到的话,他说可放宽到1/24个倍频程,

他总有理,他总对你是"宽宏大度"的.

其实,高水平或真正有经验的大师级工程师是不会这样要求的.


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验收标准中不应该有含糊不清的东西,

写出这样标准的该被"打屁股".

按我开玩笑的说法就是送回学校重读或罚到

车间一线干一段实际活再说.


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能否具体说一下 为什么我们实际使用的倍频程频率点跟用公式算出来的不一样呢 这是约定的方式还是测试上的方便呢 

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丹麦B&K仪器的设置和计算是符合的.

10楼的数据,是国标和ISO(?)国际标准的数据.

其它仪器有不同设置的原因,我想只好问它们的设计师了,我不懂为什么.


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